This is already causing rumblings of discontent. 2022-05-25_12-59 15101420 148 KB. CSD another borked idea, needs to go away -- it's window manager's job to manage max/min buttons and title bars etc, CSD also breaks point to focus. And every time, someone's written a tool to emulate the previous version. (And maybe remember that some users have one one of the many varieties of color blindness and will not be enthused about material that -- for them -- uses near identical foreground and background colors). Create a new account (4) It gets worseGnome 4 uses both GTK3 and GTK4. theme. Whatever the end result it, it's never going to make RedHat / IBM any more money than they already make from subscriptions, so it is just a cost. The screenshot above shows the difference. Agree completely, Linux UI is kitchen sink. ", A: "Three, One to change the bulb, and 2 to 'share in the experience'. The windows which are not in focus have a dim titlebar. I understand them enough to make them clear in my writing. Rewrite it so that it is once again desktop style-agnostic like the previous version, even though all the calls are compatible, and to boot rewrite the native applciations like the file manager to use the new toolkit. So you have experienced the KDE 3.5 and Gnome 2 competitive era (before KDE 4.x and Gnome 3). Mint, which I use, is Windows XP design based and ugly as hell. At least it would be easy to get work done on. Besides which, you are barking up the wrong doorstep! Go fig maybe that helps to EXPLAIN THE INSANITY), /me humming song by Jimmy Hendrix now ":Have you been experienced?". That customisable part (via coding) is what the developers should hopefully be good at, because as designers they are hopeless failures. The "serious" environment usually runs XFCE, but I'd probably be happy switching to KDE for everything if XFCE went TITSUP. So much wasted effort on this nonsense, and a complete lack of genuinely fresh and better ideas. MOZILLA FIREFOX I'm lookin' at YOU!!!). Bueller? (I could install and configure Windows 2000 without touching a mouse!). Your humble vulture is among them: personally, I've loathed "themes" and "skins" since my first encounter with them in the otherwise-excellent Trillian on Windows 2000. Always has been. Files has, GEdit's slightly rounded corners, but the controls in its CSD pseudo-title bar have. I want my bloody scroll arrows back too. It's the perfect theme for Linux Desktops that want to maintain a clean look with minor changes. The problem (in their minds, as I see it) is that if users make CHOICES, it may not be the "right" choice (according to their 'feelz'). I'm sticking to Xorg until the majority realise that Wayland is the SystemD of graphical technology. Just either give me something good enough to use without wincing every time, or offer me a way to change it *easily*. Not a member of The Register? Ubuntu: GNOME - Chrome contextual menu colors inconsistent with current themeHelpful? Somehow I prefer the old fashion style, the windows with a colored title bar. On a widescreen monitor, for me, the wasted space of a horizontal panel has to be put to very good use to be worthwhile. sudo apt install flatpak gnome-software-plugin-flatpak I must say a perfect Halloween theme, and you can download it from here. MATE still cannot. All because of some perceived need to make desktop and tablet interfaces the same. GNOME themes were described using CSS. Whether MS were influenced by others, or whether it's MS who've been the influencer, it's clear that UI design in general over this time period has grown steadily more and more user hostile. Read . Drives me nuts. Most people will always just stick with whatever OS shipped with the hardware (or whatever they are obliged to use at work/school/college) - and why shouldn't they, if what they get works? Our . That means a lot of people will be looking at GNOME 42 every day until 2024. You add a deployment slot to Contoso2023 named Slot1. I suspect that the reason that Linux isn't used all that much by individual users is the insistence by purists that users have to be Unix System administrators running as individual users. Horrible. A proper Dark Style setting will likely also be implement by then. This means that the file manager doesn't match the new look and feel, and if you attempt to customize it, the mismatch will get worse. I run it on a tiny FreeBSD VM as part of my VNC setup. I think it's because the designers think everyone has touch screens. So you are confirming I was right. I recently bought a cheap chromebook and rather to my surprise I don't really dislike it all that much. But FFS, we already found out some decades ago that it would be handy for productivity if some things are self explanatory. You are aware also, are you not, that until around XP (or maybe 7, even) Windows was a security disaster precisely because you were obliged to escalate to admin privileges to do almost anything useful (this harks back to Windows originally, unlike Unix, being essentially a single-user OS)? GNOME 42's inconsistent themes are causing drama GNOME 42 is here, but its new look and feel doesn't yet include all of the environment. Don't make scroll bars so thin they need single-pixel precision to hit. Even their early forays into mobile phones showed a level of user friendliness that iOS and Android would do well to be inspired by. Well gee, thanks for making it fast, but it's totally pointless if no one's software can use that without major rework. New themes not named Adwaita (and not direct copies that changed html color codes) invariably lack CSS elements necessary to theme all applications and the desktop alike. Resolution is not the same as size. Themes in this repo are "modded" to work with libadwaita via GTK 4.0. Ubuntu: GNOME - Chrome contextual menu colors inconsistent with current themeHelpful? > and decided that given the mess that was KDE4 they should do something about it. Anyone who has actually used a Windows Phone device will tell you that its UI may have been flat, but it was still distinguishable: yes, there were only a handful of visual cues, but they were used consistently across the whole UI - and the Windows Phone UI did feature boxed buttons; frameless buttons are an abomination that the world can than Apple for. When it was opened, it was discovered that it was, Using the Risk Matrix in the Unit Lesson, calculate the numerical risk level of each of the following severity/likelihood combinations and then place them in descending order of seriousness, Question 24 of 28 You have an Azure subscription that contains an Azure container registry named Contoso2020. 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And then, the'll randomly disappear again, due to some obscure, undocumented change in the theme configuration system (which is, of course, wildly inconsistent across desktops, GUI toolkits and individual applications). "It boggles me that the Trinity folks bothered to fork it.". (I posted the 'One look to rule them all' parody earlier so I'll just make reference to it instead), -> Windows XP made theming part of Windows and was thus a strong incentive to switch to Linux, or Mac OS X, or indeed anything else. Previously, both the secondary (air, radio, seats) and the primary ( steering, speed, brake, indicators) controls in a car have gone through decades of usability engineering to ensure that they can be used by people with pretty much any level of fine motor control, but the shift to touch-screen for secondary controls has undone that good work. It all boils down to poor decisions made in the direction the desktops would take (and in Gnome's case, the Gtk toolkit as well). nautilus version is 42 but i found inconsistency in Press J to jump to the feed. Between fzf, yakuake and kwrite, I have all the IDE features I need. KDE 1.x was fine. My principle complaints are lack of a real Delete key and dubious discoverability. Those cars with touch-screen-only secondary controls are effectively unusable for elderly or other users with poor fine motor skills (=the ability to accurately position and work with your fingers), whose motor skills would otherwise be perfectly adequate to safely pilot a car. 2. And AFAICS this thing is every bit as usable as modern Windows. GNOME 42 will be the default desktop for Fedora 36, although Fedora does not have LTS versions. Real men gravitated to X when they discovered how many Xterms they could keep open to each system in the network, and then use the Boss's biggie-wiggie mega-PC, perpetually working it's monitor to the bone running a fish tank screensaver, as a home for compilers. KDE 3 was worse and Xandros had given up. If all that systemd did was to offer another init alternative then I don't think there would be such a backlash against it. What should you use? Totally agree, Tab (and title bars) being a slight different shade between in-active and active ones. I forget the last time I saw a current generation UI which made me think the designers had the same level of respect for the end users And perfectly usable. Seems pointless. The only work-around was for the app developer to provide their own icons or themes to control those elements, and preventing a new theme from being applied (Openoffice, Inkscape, and many more) It was Adwaita or a "box of chocolates" for toolbars. GNOME 42 desktop showing inconsistent visual themes The screenshot above shows the Maybe they should speak with the people of Ubuntu who designed the screen for that forced fed snap install for FireFox. They just use the kernels VCs. GNOME 42 has arrived! This is already causing rumblings of discontent. Looked for a standard interface default "Cancel" button, but I suppose it wasn't allowed according those modern SUKU (shut up, kneel user) design guidelines. GNOME Bugzilla - Bug 164809. You need to provide time-limited access to storage1. You can still install themes, of course, but they will only affect apps that use Gtk 3. As in, instead of interfacing with the user, you give them an experience. It's simple and gets out of the way. (though Plasma/Frameworks 5 is a lot closer to getting there than KDE4 ever got). You need to specify a theme, though, and my preference is TraditionalOk, gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences theme 'TraditionalOk', widget.content.gtk-theme.override = TraditionalOk, (that should fix it, YMMV on using a different theme name). ", From the 3rd one: GTK 4 is a major new version of GTK that breaks both API and ABI compared to GTK 3.x (Yes - they REALLY! ", (even though in California, selling traditional light bulbs is now ILLEGAL. That anecdote is a metaphor for Linux on the desktop. Many ported apps do a half attempt at mimicking the visuals, but totally skip the rest of the HID guidelines (tab order?). However, what if the application update were from GTK2/3 to Web, or Electron? The slight snag in version 42 is that some components of the GNOME desktop itself still use Gtk 3 notably, the Files program (still internally called Nautilus). Everyone needs to stop with this shit and actually provide a theming engine that works properly. The result? But noooo, let's move "Open" buttons all over the place. 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Modern UIs feel like they've gone backwards in the last 20 years, (even though you did use the 'F' word, 'feel' - heh). From the 2nd one (Linus): "I want my sane interfaces back. This has, and from what I can tell, continue in Gtk4 (hopefully to a lesser degree), This article states that there are many themes to choose from and they are easily changed -- true only if you lower your expectations of what a theme can provide. The solution: Restrain creative urges. Last modified: 2007-06-26 19:53:34 UTC. This release is significant because soon it will be the default desktop of the next Long, Term Support (LTS) version of Ubuntu. UI controls also need to be larger, but for a different reason. The @#!% Registry however Um, no, I'm not confirming you're right. He inserts a DVD with the installation files into the DVD drive and restarts the computer. Text needs to be large enough to be clearly readable at the typical viewing distance. I can not think of a single person who switched from XP to Linux because of theming. Feel that most of the UI designers are complete idiots, can you imagine the chaos if they were left to design traffic lights, all the lights would be just different shades of the same colour. GTK4 broken? It is, arguably, pointless." I remember a few years ago Ruby on Rails was popular. There are "natives" who stick to one platform and one theme, never see another one, and want everything consistent with their choices. That way if some lunatic does take an axe to the stability of one framework, it's just a build option to switch to a different one and ignore the lunatic. The reason your modern UIs default settings on a 4k monitor still uses the same physical character size today as a VT100 (around 2.0 x 3.5 mm) is because that character size was not pulled out of a hat; it is the result of detailed study of human vision and ergonomics. Linux is never, ever going to become anyone's idea of a mass-market, do-anything uber-snappy desktop OS environment, so there's no point in trying. A few years ago I spent sometime teaching visually impaired computer users to edit audio using various Windows and Mac DAWs. This release is significant because soon it will be the default desktop of the next Long Term Support (LTS) version of Ubuntu. Not because it magically did something better to ease the transition, but simply because there was less of it there that had to be ported and re-themed. GNOME 42.docx - GNOME 42's inconsistent themes are causing drama GNOME 42 is here, but its new look and feel doesn't yet include all of the. Files has GEdit's slightly rounded corners, but the controls in its CSD pseudo-title bar have borders, unlike the more modern Text Editor. Intuitive. (And I really can't recall any program which failed to inform me if it required admin privileges to do what I expected it to do.). Wireshark moved to Qt. When every pixel mattered, UI designers had no choice but to put in the effort and come up with some UIs which were wonderfully useable despite the limited space they had to work with, and which were clearly aimed at providing the user of that UI with as much space as possible for *them* to work with. One of the core problems with theming is that it so enormously focuses on the visuals. It has, however, saved money (if you think Tesla uses touchscreens because theyre cool, you should look at the costs of designing and making physical control buttons sometime). They do and are classy, but still naff. Like many modern desktop computers, GNOME uses many web technologies. The release gets rid of . Disclaimer! Don't want to even think of the time I've wasted trying to turn that bloody "feature" off. Dans cet exemple j'a. GNOME developers have always done what they see as their own vision of for the Linux desktop, and not everyone agrees with that hence forks like MATE came along which went their own way from GNOME and is my personal choice for a DE. iOS14.x feels like it;s a re-skinned iOS from 10 years ago. System-wide accent colors are being discussed and looked at, but there are design related concerns about them, so it's possible that they will never land. How many users know that selecting unreadable text areas (if one can figure out how) may convert an unreadable blur into a readable color combination when the text is highlighted? No, that won't be the reason. Gtk+2 applications (and the Gtk+2 toolkit itself) were easily themed and the theme author had control over virtually every aspect of the interface. In the same way that Android and iOS are "successful" on mobiles. This gtk theme is for GNOME and XFCE4. (Well those and Google's spying). There are at least 6 other WM's out there that I can think of OTTOMH. A nightmare for developers who have been using GTK3 for years. This release is significant because soon it will be the default desktop of the next Long Term Support (LTS) version of Ubuntu. That means lots of flashy but sub-optimal solutions get chosen over those that are more functional. Link: https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/25/something_for_the_weekend/. "And this is why the year of the Linux desktop will always be far in the future.". Lots of web designers should go up against the nearest wall. Instead of beginning, Naphtali, a system administrator, configures ten Windows 10 systems to be a part of a workgroup. The so called 'Accessibilty' options don't help either - it's very difficult for the gui to highlight a non-existant border. Designers need to understand that few user displays have consistent much less properly adjusted gamma (intensity vs signal level) curves. All of the above is on Slackware, which just works. While core nice things of the Windows experience is the consistency of the interface, which ties into assistive technologies and keyboard use. In fact, if one is going to take the lid off one's own C++ application in a major way, retargetting it to VCL looks like a pretty good idea. You said it. sick emoji. Which allows the user to customize the UI. You need to be able to perform a deployment slot swap with preview. Broken look and feel doesn't discriminate and applies equally to all desktops that "port to a new toolkit" instead of being developed for it from the ground up. However, once the Libadwaita Recoloring API is implemented, we should be able to add Maia to the color palette. For example, look at slide 30 of this, which kind of says it all. As long as it does what it's supposed to do, bid deal. We read that Adwaita is now to be enforced and app-specific theming ignored. Looks like is not works like. When will the wheel turn full circle and UI designers start remembering what the U in UI stands for? Everything you said there holds almost verbatim for Windows. View GNOME 42 desktop showing inconsistent visual themes.docx from PSYCHOLOGY 101 at West Negros University. The differences are slight, and many people probably would never notice it. They should stop doing that. For a mere app-switcher, I want that stacked vertically, but with the contents still arranged horizontally in rows. If Wayland (and Weston) can give us a slicker, smaller, more focused display controller, I think that would be a win. COINCIDENCE: Alistair Dabbs wrote the above article LAST FRIDAY. Guess which class the devs fall in. Question. GNOME 42 will also be the default in Fedora 36, though Fedora doesn't have LTS versions. For instance, the global menu bar in macOS or Unity. Put the usability back in the GUI, and make all the preferences easily customisable. KDE/Plasma has been through the same growing pains since KDE 4.0.4a was unceremoniously forced on openSuSE users as the default desktop for the 11.0 release in May 2008 -- it hasn't recovered since. Now I am going to switch to KDE. where X can be ALMOST ANYTHING you used to use in GTK3!! Since GNOME 3, the default GNOME theme was Adwaita, and it was easy to install new ones, and there were lots to choose from. For more information, please see our Nothing to do with Gnome 42 update which breaks themes. Like many modern desktops, GNOME uses a lot of web technology. -> And how many times have you now written in these comments that anyone who doesn't like something about Linux should just fork it? It just seems to be a project totally disconnected from reality. I'm pretty sure that is why material that is readable and cool on the creator's display may be garish (OK but jarring) or hard to read (not so OK) for many viewers. I then use a Raspberry Pi or TightVNC on my Windows boxen to display the desktop. Ever since Windows 8's flat look led even Apple to abandon its old skeuomorphic appearance and flatten iOS 7, it's been cool to be flat whatever the cost. Where is my TWM desktop manager from the 90s on X ? With an invite like that, do you 1) accept it, or 2) stick with a mature, problem free version of a toolkit and keep that as a dependency for all time to come? 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For my systems I had a theme that I liked, and had patched up to what I wanted. I share the authors view that the Windows HID experience went to hell after Windows 2000. That means a lot of people will be looking at, GNOME 42 will also be the default in Fedora 36, though Fedora doesn't have LTS, versions. Peoples tastes differ and just because you do not care for a particular DE does not make it worthless. Petite vido de conseils pour avoir un thme cohrent sur Gnome 42/43 test sur plusieurs distros : Ubuntu 22.10, 22.04, Arch et Fedora. here's how I eliminate their Adwaita takeover. Do they ever wonder how the expenditure is theoretically supposed to turn into profit, or measure anything to see if it is? This is already causing rumblings of discontent. THAT!!!). > Creatives shouldnt be let near user interfaces until they have been properly designed. Good news, everyone! As we mentioned in the GNOME 42 preview, the new look isn't just an easily changed theme. That means larger type size (in pixels) and greater line-spacing. GNOME . Thanks! How bad does Gnome / GTK have to get before Windows + WSL seems preferable? It boils down to replacing "programming" of the user-interface to having it render like a web page. SAID! Firefox originally took great pains to follow the OS' theme then the UXers took over the asylum. Even if a development team were motivated to take the lid of their application and update it, these days there's a serious question. Remember that MS-Windows became popular when the normal resolution was 640x480. Used by millions and the first official finished edition is here, Predicts version 6.1 will need an eighth release candidate, Amazon Web Services (AWS) Business Transformation, GNOME 42's inconsistent themes are causing drama. And this AC has been happy with XFCE for the last ten years. That wasn't actually what you said in the grandparent post now was it. There are no panaceas out there. We learned that lesson a long time ago p.s. That, frankly, is flabbergasting. Unix system administration is really difficult and using that sudo mess to do simple stuff like backups is a bit off-putting for average users. Change of the sake of change has caused more harm to the usability of Linux than almost anything else. You plan to create an Azure Kubernetes Service (AKS) cluster named AKS1 that has the, Question 27 of 28 You have an Azure web app named Contoso2023. Quote: "A Great Idea (Level 4) is known as an Armstrong-Osman. More recent demos using AR headsets look just as impractical and sucky. It can be made more bearable but customising it to look like an Apple or Windows 10/11. There is even a Unix console available if one invokes the proper spells. And give users the choice of how to configure THEIR user environment to THEIR preferences and requirements, don't ever dare to presume that just because your job title is "UI Designer", you know better than the people using your creation how good their ability is to cope with the defaults you've chosen. Let's face it, for any application that needs a user base to justify work being done on it, aiming to have GTK4 as a dependency seems to be a limiting step. After all, if the driver can't manage the car's UI, the result can be a crash. And that applies to me, too. Hence why we're now having pretty much the same anguished debate over how crap this latest iteration of a Linux UI is as we've had in the past with Windows, and which without any shadow of doubt we'll have about some other modern UI if el Reg run an article on it. Yes, they are, but look how much _better_ the "Old" GEdit is than the "modern" text editor. > that Wayland is the SystemD of graphical technology. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Honestly in the early part of KDE4 I was using XFCE for a while. GNOME 42 desktop showing inconsistent visual themes. This is bad and good. KDE 2 was better looking, still good. ago For the capabilities of a literal 2 colour black and white screen, I would even argue quite attractive. The overall effect is that we've gone nowhere, or backwards. But you're right in a way. Alistair Dabbs got the GTK folk and the GNOME folk dead to rightsno wonder developers are moving rapidly to other graphical toolkits, notably Qt. Whilst Gnome are continuously innovating the living daylights out of everyone else's previously working applications, the number of people willing to stay on their innovation bus is dropping. The Ant is an exciting theme which is a little bold in its approach. It is a BAD trend, and has been since Gnome 3 as far as i can tell (when it seems to have begun). QT? I do all my coding for work in kwrite. Add the support of displaying inconsistent status for the wimp theme (2.42 KB, patch) 2005-02-08 08:00 UTC , Guillaume . I get the need to innovate if there's some worthwhile ultimate goal. GNOME = Gaaah, Needlessly Obtuse Mindf*ck Environment, -> now there's very little you can do about it. That means a lot of people will be looking at GNOME 42 every day until 2024. But surely then MacOS or iOS does the job? Remember me on this computer? GNOME 42's inconsistent themes are causing drama. As we mentioned in the GNOME 42 preview, the new look isn't just an easily changed theme. But it's there. (and elements containing icons) This caused toolbars in ported apps to spill over into ellipsized menus (the or >> at the end of the icon row). Course Hero is not sponsored or endorsed by any college or university. Again, there were at the time lots of WM's out there. Perhaps, now, looking back from Plasma it did have some horrible inconsistencies and misfires but they were not (from my perspective) as bad as what was occurring in gnome. Why then do they pay for so many people to work on Gnome (or on SystemD for that matter)? First off, the limiting factor for information density on any interactive display is the human operator. GNOME 42 brings some minor but awesome visual changes that make the overall desktop experience look more refined, polished, and modern. out of all the possible good looking themes available why adwita is chosen to be the default for the general look . It's saying that, if you choose to ride this bandwagon, there's a ton of work, it might be hard, it might not work, and it might change yet again (contrary to other assurances that, with GTK4, stability is a goal). Er, someone. This embeds the formerly separate Adwaita theme, effectively enforcing it across all apps that use Gtk 4. Now that has changed. There seem to be a generation of developers who have forgotten that some users just want stuff that works. Sorry, this post was deleted by the person who originally posted it. I get the feeling that a lot of the drive for this stuff is that the current generation of developers are using cheap chromebooks despite many users having desktops with big screens. It's a clever-sounding idea that can be adequately implemented but no one knows why. It wasn't going to be a 'big' improvement. So I just installed Openbox and the various tools and utilities I needed, some of them from the XFCE stable. A "theme" is no longer a "theme" for the desktop and all Gtk apps running, and the integrated consistent "look and feel" suffers. And FFS stop changing things just for the sake of change. Rule No.2. 10. So "they" must TAKE CHOICE AWAY, "for our own good". Microsoft Research experimented with 3D desktops back in the late 90s. You can find the option to switch the theme in the system settings under the appearance menu. But, after the disaster that moving to KDE4 (pre .5) entailed, the UI has improved. One component of GNOME 40 and later releases is version 4 of the Gtk toolkit. Quartz? I went so far as learning how to edit the gtk.css as most of themes authors also abandon the idea of colored titlebar. instead of interfacing with the user, you give them an experience, Q: "How many people from Silicon Valley does it take to change a light bulb? 11:28 PM , from TheRegister. Because the distance you have to move the mouse cursor can now be much, much bigger than before, it is much harder to accurately position that cursor on buttons that are further away - so because the average display surface areas get bigger, the controls must get bigger too for the system to remain usable. About the only desktop that has weathered the Gtk CSS storm with some degree of success is XFCE. I haven't really tried it except to verify it does some basic commands. On top of which one suspects that Red, Green and Blue vary a bit in shade from device to device. Tokyo Night Gnome Shell ThemeTokyo Night is a GTK theme based on the Gruvbox Material VSCode and Graphite theme by @VinceLiuice and part of the 'Code Editors Colours for GTK' series.Themes for the GNOME Shell with the Tokyo Night colour palette.There are two types of themes you can choose from,. (and if the app wasn't built on the same Gtk minor release, worse could happen if it runs at all). (3) But even worse.GTK3 was usefulbut no.GTK4 came along in time for Gnome 4. It's precisely because a very small number of people do just that that the mess you describe has arisen. And making the display itself bigger also comes with a penalty. And that you do not need admin privileges to do basic user tasks such as backups on Linux? Only Corel (and later Xandros, briefly) made it usable. The styling is a mixture: GEdit's top corners are less rounded and its bottom corners are square. "GNOME developers have always done what they see as their own vision of for the Linux desktop". We have nearly exhausted our own creative abilities in UI. If critical functions answer to uniformity. They have made the same mistake that Apple made with iOS7 when they tried to copy Windows Phones minimalist UI - they went too far, and simply removed all the button-borders and other visual signifiers from their UI without providing anything else in their place. At a place where I was working at the time, some people wanted to rebuild something which was already running well, which was well understood by those who maintained and supported it, and didn't have any significant problems, on Ruby on Rails. Erm, 99.9% of people people don't switch OSes ever, and 99.9% of those people don't even know they have the option. The Linux way of doing things. GNOME 42's new look isn't just an easy-to-change theme. No, seriously, your points are very well taken. Like many modern desktops, GNOME uses a lot of web technology. KDE3 was ugly as sin, but it did just work. don't really know if it's a repeating question or not but will gnome 42 prevent general gtk theming like applying orchis or Graphite themes on all apps or not..if it's prevented to some extent. . GNOME 42 is here, but its new look and feel doesn't yet include all of the environment. It's like people went out of the way to deliberately waste screen real-estate while simultaneously making it harder and harder each iteration to determine what is and is not a button. All rights reserved 19982022, 'Experimental operating system' it may be, but it's still Unix/Linux-like, Kernel devs offer emperor penguin early gifts of code for version 6.2, You need to open up core systems to consumers and partners. Instead of taking theming away, why couldn't they go the other way and design a proper, robust, theming API? The change from bordered icons to a new style of borderless or focus on hover icons made the packages unusable overnight. I thought that the whole point of Wayland was to be a lot simpler and niftier than X.org by removing a lot of the unuseful cruft. A more refined GNOME experience. XFCE on some systems, Openbox on others - depending on what they are used for. And why should users have to do that? Enter the Gtk+3 CSS debacle. It's things like this that practically guarantee Microsoft and Apple will continue to mint $billions out of proprietary desktops for the foreseeable future. I suggest installing the adw-gtk-theme from our community repo to make all Gtk applications have a matching theme. And there are "cosmopolitans" who see the app on lots of platforms and want the app to look and behave consistently on both. . They are both too fat and just waste screen real estate making the whole thing feel claustophobic. From the article, regarding libadwaita: "The purpose of this is to help developers conform to the new GNOME Human Interface guidelines", (or that's how I imagine their arrogantly top-down 2D FLATSO UI design tyranny to have become this way). I can't speak for anyone else, but I switched to Linux a couple of decades ago because of a combination of combat fatigue -- I was tired of fighting with my OS to get simple things done simply -- and a (correct as it turns out) guess that market forces would cause Microsoft to become increasingly user-hostile in future decades. And this is why the year of the Linux desktop will always be far in the future. Even the lines in the sickeningly ubiquitous hamburger seem to be getting finer and finer. Bring back 3d borders. The irony that it was Apple being so ignorant of basic design principles isnt lost on this ex-employee, but thats what you get when you fire all your UI designers (the Human Interface Group was closed back in the late 1990s) and expect graphic artists to have the same skillset. 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