His father was John Allen Lechmere, and his mother was Marie Louisa Lechmere. And so thats probably why you havent heard them. But he turns up at the inquest and called himself Cross, which was named after his long dead stepfather. Theres, theres certain stories where the docks, the docks of London were based in the East End. By walking up to Robert Paul, he was doing fight and not flight, but that is what a, a psychopathic serial killer would do rather than run away. The 1906 Potato Masher Murder of Cecilia Ludwig w/ Gary Sosniecki, The 1937 Hindenburg Disaster: Michael McCarthy, Was Charles Lechmere Jack the Ripper? Reverse. Erik: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I believe 6&8 BL were under the L&BR viaduct on the right hand (E) side of the road in STGITE. Just because The Star qas the only paper to have published his address (that we know of) doesn't mean Lechmere didn't read hia address out in open court. And Lechmere had always called himself Lechmere, subsequently in every record since then. He didnt get his name Cross or Lechmere. He is suspected by some as having been the infamous serial killer Jack the Ripper. Rather than subjectively looking to see whether its likely that the murder wouldve been committed by the same person. No historical true crime case is more hotly debated around the world than the one involving the near-mythical serial killer "Jack the Ripper". So theres all these different combinations between Charles Cross, Charles Andrew Cross, Charles Allen Cross, or George Cross. And the Pinchin Street Torso, which Ive mentioned earlier. And, and so theres a theory that that it was made up by a newspaper man. Now, you might be wondering why Lechmere turned up at the inquest. If you go from Mitre Square where Catherine Eddowes was found to Goulston Street, which is where this doorway was, its in a direct line, a direct route back to Lechmeres house, points directly to Lechmere lived. Theres a couple of different testimonies he give where its very clear that he didnt like the police and he hovered, in my opinion, he hovered the arms length away from, well, Lechmere was talking to PC Meison because he didnt wanna get involved with this policeman. The bloke tapping on the shoulder, that whole story was featured in this newspaper story, and then they go and find a piece you around the corner and go on to work. assuming it really was her, not a Ripper job, but who really knows???? The locations of Lechmere's home, family and place of work put him in the vicinity of several 'Ripper' murders and other, extra-canonical killings besides. And she was killed about 200 yards on Saturday night. And but I looked into the case of this person. Lechmere escaped suspicion because he was just an ordinary working-class man with 11 children who no-one suspected. The other one, not the Missing Link, the Missing Evidence, Erik: Jack The Ripper: the New Evidence. Erik: Welcome everyone, to another episode of the Most Notorious podcast. The murder weapon. So the theory is that someone called Louis Diemschutz was coming into the yard where the body was found and disturbed the, the, the culprit who then who was unfulfilled. Didnt come forward as a Your email address will not be published. Edward: Okay. And I think thats why it was quite soon after the, the two murders were quite soon after each other. And theyre, theyre known as the Jack the Ripper murders, the name Jack the Ripper itself only appeared halfway through that sequence when a letter was received by the, a news agency signed Jack the Ripper and claiming responsibility for the crimes. But a normal person would probably think that you should run away, but thats because a normal person isnt the psychopathic serial killer, and so they cant put it into the mind of what they were doing. And about an hour and a half later was found dead in a back street about three quarters of a mile away. And they had to change the narrative and say, have you had any of the newspaper reports in the initial period? They had a sort, these, these trades had a a look about them so he could tell the guy looked like a car man. Some people would think when, when Robert Paul was coming up to him that he should have run away. Edward: Well, its on, its on YouTube. No blood was described by either man, but by the time a constable found Nichols shortly afterwards, blood had pooled around her neck, suggesting to some that the cut to her throat was very fresh when Lechmere and Paul were present. So, Lloyds Weekly News is a Sunday newspaper. Hope it wasnt too, too detailed or going on and on too much. None of one said, oh yeah, I could tell Ive got blood cause I got blood on my hands afterwards. Psychopaths dont have motives. 08-15-2012, 11:28 PM. And they usually wore big aprons and stuff and probably smelt of horses I suppose. 2,805 views Aug 29, 2021 New version - https://youtube.com/shorts/AiGGOAgKsY. [11] John Allen Lechmere. Now, since the heads of both police forces investigating the crime felt that Kosminski did it, I'd say there probably was no other evidence against Cross - and that he may have actually had alibis for some of the other murders. His mother is Elizabeth Dashwood-King and his father is William Lechmere. So he, this story appeared in, in this newspaper on the Sunday. The next murder was Elizabeth Stride. I think the Times, which is usually regarded as a paper of record. So Robert Paul tried to put it down so her legs were covered, but could only bring it down to her knees. Thats one of the sort of rather disturbing things about this type of crime actually, that, that, that is the, the culprit is invariably, some bloke you wouldnt look twice at, rather than, you know, a monster in human form. [7] [15] Given this data, Holmgren argues Lechmere is the most plausible suspect for the Ripper murders. Its still there. Oh no. Charles Lechmere was born on 5 October 1849, in the Strand, Im not sure if shes dead or shes possibly drunk. And thats essentially what he did. Totaled off down the street. You know, in the war when the Germans bomb the East End quite heavily there. Lechmere is found standing near Polly Nichols freshly killed body down a dark street at 03.45 in the morning - she has clearly just been killed. Because you can look at all that from the comfort of your home and find interconnections and where people are, where they moved, and all sorts of through electoral roles being digitized through birth, death, marriage records, censuses. Other people refuse to believe that PC Meisen was right. The origins of the chain date to 1913, when Russian . Its, its argued over, these things are argued over in every single point. So often the number of murders that different people think were committed by Jack the Ripper often depends on their suspect and whether that suspect could have done them or not. Thats the other piece of information. Charles Allen Lechmere in England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Charles Allen Lechmere was born on month day 1849, to John Allen Lechmere and Maria Louisa. I, I havent done an episode for a couple of weeks because Im doing one on the first of these torsos that I was telling you about, which requires quite a lot of extra research and visiting the locations where the bit different bits of the body parts cuz a torso, yeah, youd get part the abdomen here, a thigh there, a leg there. He must, you know, he must have unknowingly disturbed the killer moments before he got there by all these, all these different aspects of evidence would point towards that conclusion. One of the main goods that they dealt with in deliveries was meat carcasses for the London meat market. Paul hadnt come forward. And the theory is that he was unfulfilled with Liz Stride and went on to Catherine Eddowe s and killed her now. Derek F. Osborne: 'The Man Who Was Jack the Ripper'. Charles was baptized on month day 1859, at baptism place. Sir. Im just an average guy going to work. And at this date most likely never be known. father. Theyd sent a journalist down to hover around Bucks Row as all the newspapers did to try and find some extra story. Edward: A couple of researchers sort of halfheartedly, looked at him a bit about 15 years ago and made the connection through genealogical research. And the interesting thing is Thomas Cross was about 10 years younger than his mother. And this is the only instance where someone was seen standing by the victim before theyd raised the alarm. Ran off, found another victim who was Catherine Eddowes, and killed her, and then did fulfill the whole shock and awe, full display ritual. So the murders on the Friday, the inquest opened on the Saturday. Lechmere's childhood was also characterized by instability of residence, as he was raised in a series of different homes. The inquest where they turned up or where, where Lechmere turned up was on the Monday. Very bitterly argued over. [5] by Osborne in 2007, The only reason the five are regarded as a group is because a policeman, some years later called Melville Macnaghten wrote a memorandum in which he, he he said there was just those five and the others werent part of the sequence, but other policemen who were, he wasnt actually even working at Scotland Yard at the time of the murders, but he had access to the files. More blood became evident. Its in the, the new evidence documentary Murder Court Superintendent. It was about an hour and a half earlier than any other murders. Mary Jane Kelly was murdered near the northernmost route to his work, and the time frame in which she is estimated to have been killed is reconcilable with his presumed journey, although the day she was killed was a holiday and he may have had the day off work. And when you know it and when, if you fit, let me say, it just fits like a glove, the whole, all these different murders. So there, theres, theres quite a few that you can add or subtract to the, to the tally. They used to reckon they know did it and all this sort of stuff. He didnt like the police and thats why he didnt really know what was said in the conversation between the two. He thought she might be like fainted or something like that. Lechmere (/ l i t m r / "leech-meer") was a Massachusetts-based chain of retail stores that closed in 1997. However, the one thing I still cannot come to terms with is the lack of blood on Lechmeres hands or clothing. Is that an American thing as well? And thats also because he didnt tell him that the woman was dead or, or seriously injured, just said she was laying on the floor. So there are, there are ways I can connect him. The common name was Cross cuz he gave his name in a in a court, in an inquest where obviously it was noisy. It was, they walked past the murder scene, so they walked on their way. His mother died at the age of (Captain was 0 years old). And there is a connection between him and Mary Kelly as well that are found, cuz some people think that the culprit knew Mary Kelly for various reasons. But in our terms, they are so most, and they were from the East End, so most families or people from the East End would have a Kray story. So commonly most people had the Sunday off at no other day. And his job was a car man delivering those goods. He, he missed the battle cause he had to go to a court martial for another officer and someone else, his second in command took him was in charge of his ship at the Battle of Trafalgar. Closed: Proving that Charles Lechmere is a very good suspect by Christer Holmgren. [2] The following year saw the possibility further explored in an article by John Carey, I, I tend to think it was probably, theres a good, good argument that it was a genuine letter and was from the culprit. Im unable to provide a sharper Goad map at present. And that was all that really came out of her out though, when it was sort of oozing out, merely was sort of through gravity rather than splashing everywhere. His mother is Elizabeth Dashwood-King and his father is William Lechmere. But to come back to other aspects of the the blood evidence, the blood evidence, in my opinion, this is one of these moments of controversy, the fact that they didnt when subsequent witnesses came, such as Dr. Llywelyn and the policeman, they, so they saw more, more blood. So his mother was living near the murder scene of Liz Stride with one of his daughters in an area where hed only moved away from in June, cuz he lived around the corner as well. Thank you. But she had, she had spent all her money on drink and was drunk. His real name was Charles Allen Lechmere, who lived at 22 Doveton Street off Cambridge Heath Roadfive minutes' walk from Buck's Row. He is suspected by some as having been the infamous serial killer Jack the Ripper. And one newspaper, theres one newspaper had his address which was called Doveton Street. [6] and by Michael Connor in four issues of The Ripperologist between 2006 and 2008. Now it it, when you know hes the culprit and you can see where the murders are. They cant get away, they cant get away with committing these sorts of crimes repeatedly. And they left the body. [17] You can track people down more efficiently now, where people were living in 1888 or that period than, than, than people could at the time. One of the newspaper reports describes how he was attired and he, he turned up in his work clothes at the, you know, at the inquest. So she said she made some sort of, this is quite a famous thing, that shed be back because shed shed earned her money four times over and shed go out and shed earn it again. Edward: Okay. And people, people have more access to who people were than they, than the police did at the time. At the inquest, Lechmere gave his name as Cross, which was the surname of a long-dead stepfather; later investigators found that no-one named Cross was listed in the census records for the address he supplied, meaning that his true identity was a mystery for well over a century. To view the purposes they believe they have legitimate interest for, or to object to this data processing use the vendor list link below. The 2014 TV documentary also points out that Lechmere did not appear at the inquest until after Paul had been quoted in the press to the effect that another man had been present. Theres a village called Rainham on, on further down the River Thames. And maybe a little bit more, maybe a few years, more than 10 years ago by people doing genealogical research and looking, because things like Ancestry, I dunno. There was, for example there, one called by Emma Smith is the first one in the file. Used his Policeman step fathers name as a one off to avoid suspicion. So this guy called Robert Paul was walking down the road, dark street on his way to work and he sees in -he was a car man as well, actually he sees in front of him about 40 yards, 30 or 40 yards in front of him, someone standing in the middle of the road and he carries on walking. Whereas Lechmeres mother actually managed to marry a policeman, which is pretty secure occupation to have for a husband. Three bags full. Its all PC Neil found the body, blah, blah, blah. Youre wanted by another officer around the corner because theres a woman laying in the street and they brought someone in who had been, who was waiting in the corridor, and they said, is that the person who said that to you? It had a large concentration of prostitutes, street prostitutes as well. This sort of thing happens nowadays as well. And that guy was Charles Lechmere, Charles Cross. Then there was thing called the Pinchin Street Torso, which was found in, in the White Chapel area. Edward: Well, Ill just tell you quickly, the, the, the final nail in the coffin, which was the thing that I found was that he had moved for, he always lived near his mother in a, a slightly different part of the East End, about a mile away. Its not called Bucks Road now, its called Durward Street. And I want to go to all the different dumping grounds to find all the different exact spots where each bit was left. The, the road where the torso was found, you know, its like everywhere theres a murder, Lechmere has got a direct connection to almost. After leaving policing Meison, Robert Paul and Lechmere walked past the next murder scene, which would happen eight days later. In all the other cases, someone finds a body, they go off and find a policeman straight away or something like that. This page was generated at 01:21 AM. So Lloyd sent a reporter down to Bucks Road and they bumped into Robert Paul. So what happened was, in the early hours in the morning, on the 31st of August, 1888, Polly Nichols, who was a street prostitute, basically, not to sugarcoat it, she was drunk. So no ones ever shown all the different places where the Rainham torso, different bits of the Rainham torso. Thank you so much for your time today. And some people take criticism of their theory better than others, and some people are, are, are more open-minded to discussion and the cut and thrust of debate than others as they are on any topic. Polly Nichols was the first one. Or such a long slog with Torso over shoulder. Erik: No, I, I have not. The penultimate nail in the coffin is that he had a stepfather, his father abandoned him when he was, or abandoned the family when he was about one or something. But there are other murders. They, they were abandoned women who had kids and stuff and turned to drink and then turned to prostitution. So people, if theres any possible connection to Jack the Ripper, people say, well, my family used to live in the East End. Whats it called? Mmm. Most of the Ripper suspects, you cant provide any connection at all. So, to go back to your other question that was about where the, where the other, the other crimes. People didnt want the notoriety associated with, with its, with it being called Bucks Road. Number one, the police often, and you probably come across this in other cases youve investigated, they can develop one track minds on things, so they think theyve got a suspect in the frame. Someone like cart driver Charles Allen Lechmere, who was on the scene when the first body was discovered and who gave a false name at the inquest. So the stomach, which it was cut open, was not on display. So that is why I think he, he was unfulfilled. With the newspapers competing with each other for a more and more sensationalized headline, but theyd also have news boys selling the newspaper by shouting out whatever the gory title would be. And there was very little blood at the scene of the of the Polly Nichols murder. And quite. And the Bonnie and Clyde and stuff like that. Then it was like a haulier -thats why he was a car man. John Carey: 'Watchman, Old Man, I Believe Somebody Is Murdered Down The Street'. But there is a sort of, the guy who lived with her, who was probably her pimp a few years before , Lechmeres kids went to the same school as the guy who was almost certainly Mary Kellys pimp. And everythings showing, everythings showing -the guts cut open and everything. And the final nail in the coffin, actually it was the, this is the penultimate nail in the coffin. Could you summarize the case for us briefly? Theyre the most famous gangland name of a criminal family in Britain. And then the last one was Francis Coles, a few years later. But it can, it is, it is a very bitchy, a very bitchy world. .more David Robinson 100 subscribers Definitely the. Thank you for joining me. [3] while Osborne went on to examine a set of remarkable coincidences which suggested that 'Cross' was in fact a man legally known as Lechmere. His route to work from his new place in Doveton Street where he just moved to, took him down Bucks Road, which is the road where, where Polly Nichols was murdered. Erik: Okay. They could have knocked him up and said, look, something down there. So he had all sorts of connections to that area. His mother died at the age of (Captain was 0 years old). And although this was at the outset of the Ripper cry, as the story progressed with the other murders, they were all trying to scoop each other, all trying to get special insights into the murder, looking at different aspects to try and get a new angle to get new readers. Edward: Okay. So she went to the Doss house and the person in charge the deputy, or the the second in command of it, actually not the person whos in charge of it, threw her out and said, look, you cant, unless you got your money, you cant stay here. There was one: Alice McKenzie. So they didnt, they didnt go to the police and helpfully tell the police the, this extra information they had. And, but the police report did have his name properly as Charles Allen Cross, 22 Doveton Street. Okay, so Lechmere and Paul had walked past Meison without so much as giving their name or address or anything much. [15] in which Lechmere is linked not only to the Whitechapel Murders, but also to the longer series of killings known as the So that, that, thats the main body of evidence. No historical true crime case is more hotly debated around the world than the one involving the near-mythical serial killer Jack the Ripper. 2,324 views. And thats the five. Everyone have a docks stories about stealing stuff from the docks and stuff like that. So lots of early books called him George Cross and that some gave his middle name, which was Allen. The, its the only case where the, the initial narrative of how the body was found had to be changed three days later because Lechmere didnt come forward for three days to say what had happened. Also Lechmere's mother lived in Pinchin Street at the time of the 1881 census. He is suspected by some as having been the infamous serial killer You know, I mentioned about how the Ripper wouldve had, had this ritual where he wanted to leave- the bodys left blatantly on display as a, as a shock and awe sort of that was obviously part of the thing that, that motivates. Which you, some people think, I think were part of, you know, the same guy did it. He was one, he, he, he is one of the first characters that we meet in the story of the murder of Polly Nichols, but under the name Charles Cross. And different policemen thought different ones were. Lechmere used to live on Pinchin Street. And the, it appears there was thousands of people around there. But he was a car man, but the newspaper stories at the time had his name down confusingly as different things. And so his apron probably had blood traces on anyway, so heaving up and lifting up these size of meat in his normal occupation. So this was the only murder that preceded the double event, the only murders that preceded a normal day off. Thats the one they want, and they dont look elsewhere. It has to be said, that the concrete facts about Charles Lechmere's involvement in the Jack the Ripper murders, end with his being present at the site of the murder of Mary Nichols as the discoverer of her body, and anything linking him to the other Whitechapel murders is nothing more than supposition and speculation. So the meet and greet between the two is odd. How did it happen? So they may have known each other, maybe hed gone around and visited the guy, the kids or something, and may have known Mary Kelly conceivably. Compare the Booth notebook numbering to the Goad. He features in the murderer of Polly Nichols, the first of the five canonical, generally accepted murders. But thats one of the objections that Lechmere should have run away. Started by Christer Holmgren, June 15, 2022, 03:18 PM. But, and it was causing all sorts of problems for him. Birthdate: 1782. So my presumption is he was going back to his old stamping ground on Saturday night, his night off, preceding his night off, going to see his mother or his daughter perhaps. When you, when you discuss one of his theories, cuz the theories arent just about murder, some people have a theory about how the police investigates the case. This is the irony. Erik: Well this has been excellent. But while they were away, another policeman found the body a policeman called PC Neil. So thats the connect, thats the connection to the Annie Chapman murder. Stow, creator and host of the YouTube series The House of Lechmere, shares evidence that he believes implicates Lechmere in not only the murders of the Canonical Five, but of other women in 1880s London as well. And as he swerves around him, the man taps him on the shoulder and says, oh, come and have a look at this over here. Eight days later. Would you run away or would you turn and face your face the situation and take control of the situation by turning and facing and controlling the situation? Yeah thats why I dont want to wade too far into Ripperology myself. Is Captain Charles Lechmere still alive? But he he borrowed his long dead stepfathers name to call himself Charles Cross. That was in April of 1888. I would say the reason he turned up was because he wouldve read the Lloyds story the day before, in which Paul indicated that someone was standing in the middle of the street by the body and he was worried that the police would put out a drag net to find him, cuz Paul and Meisen wouldve been able to identify him. The murders of And that was the same route that Robert Paul walked. She might be dead. So shed had been strangled first, which would avert, probably didnt totally kill her and, but almost, and then, the doctor that is called Dr. Llywelyn believes that the abdominal wounds, the ones that were covered, were done first. So they walked down the road. Some people believe that the killer was Charles Lechmere, also known as "Leather Apron." Lechmere was a working-class man who lived in [] Partly due to local pressure. . June 22, 2022, 02:36 AM : The House of Lechmere - The Jack the Ripper Super Highway by Edward Stow. In addition, neither man reported seeing or hearing anyone else at Buck's Row, which had no side exits. Im a bit of a skeptic whenever she comes to me and says, oh, I found this out, and if she tells me anything, my immediate reaction I shouldnt really perhaps say this. People live in the East End are full of these sorts of stories. He was the main advisor on the documentary, Jack The Ripper: the New Evidence, and he is the host of a YouTube channel called The House of Lechmere. He lied at the inquest as well. Or was he one of the most suspicious men in the c. And the next witness to testify at the inquest was Lechmere. Edward: And thats how I got into it. But thats the only, I dunno, of any other suspects, whether you someone can establish a link between them and even a potential link between them and Mary Kelly. Could be beer, could be anything really. And I think he did the, the neck wounds as a sort of final coupe de grace when he heard the footsteps, which happened to be Paul coming up behind him. Some of our partners may process your data as a part of their legitimate business interest without asking for consent. Its one of the a number of the streets associated with the Jack The Ripper crimes were renamed. Edward gives about as good an argument for the ludicrously strained case for Lechmere as is possible. The suggestion that he might actually be the Whitechapel Murderer was first raised by Derek Osborne in 2000 in an issue of the magazine Ripperana. 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